The “Let me teach you via tutorial” phenom

2 11 2009

As many of you would know, I’m an active member of many forums and their respective forums. Due to this, I have a view of a wide cross-section of designers whether they be professional or the other sort. It’s this other sort that I wish to elaborate on in this here post. Why, you may ask? Read of and find out.

In short, they frustrate me.

To ascertain why this occurs I must first make a clear distinction and also delve into how this phenom even came to bare.

Clear Distinction

Professionals: Can be one of three things in my opinion. 1. People who either work in the field and get paid for their creative services. Program experience or expertise isn’t necessarily important. 2. People who have solid training in specific applications. 3. People who have the ability to show great aptitude for design of specific applications (or design in general) who may not work in the field or have appropriate training or education. They are merely professionals who are out of work in my eye.

The other sort: Thos who do not fit the above criteria, however, still feel the need to impart their knowledge/skill/design flair/wisdom onto others. By this, I don’t mean people simply responding to a question of, “How do I make a solid layer?”. I mean the people who go and create a tutorial (written or filmed) to instruct others on how to do something. Quite often the other sort will mingle on You Tube as well as procaliming they have a “Production Stuido”, are “a company”, a “team of designers” etc etc. The calling card of the other sort.

The History

Over the years we have seen an incremental rise in online training. I suppose Brian Moffit (of Total training fame) as a lot to answer for here.  He began the training phenom (in a way), that allowed people to be trained in applications from the comfort of their lounge. His training was fantastic, however, couldn’t utilise the power of the internet at his time of inception.

Since his series, the internet and internet speeds grew. Thusly making it possible for people to record tutorials and have people watch and hopefully learn from them. We have seen many such sites pop up through the years, for example, Creative Cow/Video CoPilot/Maltannon etc etc. All provide fantastic training. The reason it is fantastic is because the tutorials are conducted by the aforementioned professionals. The tutorials allow a beginner the tools to create and learn at an increased rate for free (for the most part).

As sure as Boxing Day follows Christmas, budding beginners follow their internet mentors. Thus, we have this “Let me teach you via tutorial” phenom.

As the days and months go on, a new website pops up with limited content showing anyone willing to watch how to be a designer or how to use a specific application. However, these sites invariably do not actually contain one shred of professional aptitude. No design reels, no resume, no list of clients, no screen caps; nothing. Just a self-proclaimed expertise. An arrogance.

These other sort are a feisty bunch to encounter in a forum as they have administered self brainwashing to the point they have convinced themselves to be professionals.

You may now be asking, “Why pay attention? Why feed the leech?  Why care?”. In essence, I don’t pay attention, however, as an industry professional it becomes overshadowing when replying to a genuine request in a forum. Professionals now find it difficult to provide instructional information as they are being drowned out by the other sort. This isn’t necessarily a problem for the professionals, it is a problem for the beginner.

The beginner is on a constant crusade for information and instruction. How are they to know if a person can help them properly or not? Sure they could search and see if a certain persons work is credible, however, this often isn’t the case. This then creates a situation where the beginner then wants to emulate his internet idol and be like him. This in essence is fine, however, they are trying to emulate a hologram; the other sort. So, thus, around and around we go. It must end.

Is this just a rant? I guess it is. I have no clear way on how to defeat this evil phenom, I have only merely noticed it and though by providing the beginner with this vital insight they may learn to evade the other sort and seek out the instructional superiority offered by the “Andrew Kramers” of the world.

To name (and shame) a few would be easy, this is why I will do it.

www.fxresource.webs.com

www.everythingfx.tk

www.davidwoodfx.blogspot.com

www.MovieMaker.Co.Nr

…..Just to name a select few.

I will also endeavour to add a new links tab to this blog of sites to steer clear from (and including the above links).

In addition, steer clear of YouTube. If you are searching for training, this will be your first mistake. YouTube is a collection of the other sort and where they tend to mingle and feed their self deluded states of mind.

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98 responses

3 11 2009
Topher Welsh

See, I don’t think that the onslaught is BAD… but when things are copied or just simple everyday techniques that everyone knows are shown, then that is when it gets out of hand… personally EverythingFX does a good job with Blender stuff, and they are also young. I am sure as the “other sort” generation gains some experience, tutorials will improve, as will quality and their own skillset.

We shouldn’t deter ANYONE from wanting to pass on knowledge, and definitely not shame them, rather we should give constructive criticism. You know my site, I frequent these sites every day and have probably seen more “other sort” tutorials than anyone else. When people copy techniques, I write and tell them to credit, when someone makes a project file, based on a tutorial, I tell them to take it down… and when they outright copy tutorials, well… that’s when the verbal bashing begins.

I don’t have a STUDIO, COMPANY or anything, but I am a freelance professional, and I consider myself skilled in AE and I hope you don’t shame me for that. I enjoy teaching, as do many others. A lot of the “other sort” generation is younger (below 16 years old) so we have to cut them a break. In time things will improve.

By the way, I love the redesign of the site… when are you going to have some new tutorials out?

3 11 2009
ghostdigital

I see what you are saying, however, I don’t think age matters. A 10yo can’t play in the NBA; well he could he if could match it with the big boys. Sure these ‘kids’ don’t get to pay in the main game which is professional work, however, they are deluding themselves by “teaching” people how to do something that they don’t know how to do themselves. I don’t expect everyone to agree with me because I know my tact is scathing at times but I do know many users have stopped using the VCP forums for this exact reason, so I’m not alone in my thought pattern.

As far as tutorials, I don’t want to have to write a post about myself of here and shame myself. So, it is more about finding something that people would like to know that hasn’t been done correctly before. I’m not a big fan of creating tutorials showing “another way”; each to their own. I might make some photography/PS tuts that I haven’t seen posted around or some 3D Max tuts dealing with texturing and Vray that are few and far between. Other than that, when an idea pops into my head (and time permits) I will record 🙂

4 11 2009
Rafael Guerra

“This in essence is fine, however, they are trying to emulate a hologram; the other sort. So, thus, around and around we go. It must end.” I might agree with this, its somewhat the effect Metallica cause on the bands from the 80’s. everybody wanted to be a “metallica wannabe” band, which in essence is fine, but to the listener it represented a lost in creativity and originality. But in today’s websites, a major problem is also the fact few people manage to draw a line between a business and a site for fun, however I think the ones who know how to draw it, actually manage to know exactly what they want and manage to provide good information; You never know what might help someone, even Youtube really.

4 11 2009
David W.

I think you are being very rude. I have made no claim saying I am a professional. I am just a graphic design student who does this stuff in my spare time. My site is simply for announcing upcoming tutorials, hosting project files and the occasional random article. It may not be much to a so-called “professional” but it’s not meant to be. I try very hard not to create “amateur” tutorials which may not be helpful to professionals but to beginners they are helpful and I don’t appreciate being put down by a haughty design “god”.

4 11 2009
Topher Welsh

Well, its all about education to me. I mean, if the tutorial isn’t done well, then it gets the recognition it deserves. This is a reason we created a format like there is on the VCP forums, because there was an onslaught of user tutorials, but to tell you the truth i have learned techniques from beginners that I didn’t know, and I thank them for that.

It all comes down to, if they are learning, the educator is doing something right. If they are not, in which this a lot of the time is the case, that educator has to re-evaluate their strategy.

Its not about getting tutorials UP, its about teaching, and drilling your techniques into the minds of others, so that they can use them in their everyday projects.

4 11 2009
Joel Crookes

After reading your article I was deeply disappointed. I along with Louis Serrano started making tutorials for people a while back, I myself providing the Blender and Sony Vegas tutorials for Everything FX.

I strongly disagree with almost everything you have stated in your “rant” This is for a variety of reasons which, If you hear me out, I‘m sure will open your eyes a little wider and quite possibly you would be able to tolerate our “terrible“ sites.

I speak for everybody when I say that we are not arrogant, we just want to help people. Think of an older brother or friend who plays football. They show you a few tricks and skills that they have learnt, practiced and perfected and try to teach you because you want to learn these tricks. Just because they are not of professional standard does not mean they don’t have the right to teach you or that their tricks are not of a good quality.

You should know as much as anyone how hard it is to break into the film industry. I along as many people such as yourself have a passion for film and I think that it is unfair for you to find us repulsive simply because we are not “professional”, which quite frankly is a bit of an elitist frame of mind, but that’s a whole other story. We all have to start somewhere and teaching others helps to not only re-enforce our skills but build other peoples too, win, win. That is why they are popular.

OK so what if we didn’t make tutorials? I’m pretty sure that if you asked most professionals to provide tutorials for us simpletons on the internet they would quite frankly laugh in your face. They don’t want to be bothered, of course there are exceptions but these are few. So I ask you, In this modern world where instant gratification is a subject of great importance, who will make tutorials. Unfortunately we don’t all have the luxury of having every tutorial we want being made by “professionals”. So that is the reason we make them.

I once again state that it is in our best interests, not to gloat but to provide people who aspire to make films and effects etc with tutorials that will not only help them make things that they want but also help to improve their skills. We are not delusional, we do not present ourselves as “professionals“, we do not make money from it. We simply try to be as professional as possible. You might call yourself professional, where do you draw the line? I myself do not find you professional as such an article seems to contradict, surely if you truly had a passion you would encourage others to share it. You say we are arrogant but you are the one telling people what they should and should not do, does that not make you a man of arrogance. We help people, people have a right to their own decisions and beliefs. You have yours, now let us get on with what we set out to do, help people.

4 11 2009
digidirectors

You are being a hypocrite with your train of thought.

If I thought like you (as a photographer), I would give you this advice:

“Please sell your camera and stop taking photographs immediately and sharing your photographs online. I do not care if you enjoy learning about photography or trying to better yourself in that field. I am a high and mighty photographer and you will never be like me, so please, stop trying to obtain your goals in photography.”

Luckily I am not like you and love sharing my techniques with others so they can improve themselves in photography, videography, lighting or green screen techniques.

On a side note, you calling people out is not only unprofessional, its petty.

4 11 2009
MM

This post was made by a person who lacks a grasp on the English language and temper. His post has been editted as his content was ridiculous. Feel free to try again.

4 11 2009
Kai Indvik

Why would you go to so much work to put these sites down, a

I already said that I am making my tutorials as a way to teach myself, but you seem to ignore this.
I don’t know why you would go to such great lengths to put these young people (myself included) down. Is there any possible positive outcome??

Am I supposed to just buy a copy of AE, and then start churning out incredible tutorials the week after I get it?

I am just beginning to feel I really understand after effects, and making these tutorials has really helped me. I couldn’t care less how many views my tutorials get, I make them for myself. However, people have seemed to like them, which is great. I feel like for every bit of positive feedback I get, I’ve contributed to this community. That’s what is so great about the online VFX world, there’s tons of nice people willing to give you feedback and advice.

And then there’s the “Other Sort”, who seem to go around insulting or degrading anyone they see as inferior to themselves.

I am not a professional, and I am not pretending to be one, by any means.
I just want to be a part of these awesome community, which YOU, Daniel, are detracting from.

That’s just my opinion, but I think it’s shared by other people.

Lighten up, and give us a break.

Sincerely,

Kai

4 11 2009
ghostdigital

@ Kai Indvik

You’re entitled to your opinion as am I.

Am I supposed to just buy a copy of AE, and then start churning out incredible tutorials the week after I get it?

No. Just don’t make them. AE isn’t a tool to make tutorials. You make tutorials when you are good enough to teach. If you are still at a very basic level where learning is all you should be doing, then teaching isn’t something you should be doing.

4 11 2009
ghostdigital

@ MM

your site has no traffic I don’t really care

I don’t try to attract heaps of traffic, however, you would have absolutely no idea of the traffic that this blog gets.

you’ve never made or even tried to make a tutorial in your life

I wouldn’t be so sure of that. You may just have made yourself look like an idea by saying this.
As for the rest of your response, it made little sense and showed an inferior mental capability.

4 11 2009
ghostdigital

@ digidirectors

I’m not sharing a photography tutorial, only my work. If people like it, great, if not, I don’t care. If I get asked repetadly how to do my photography, then and only then, will I make a tutorial.

4 11 2009
ghostdigital

@ Joel Crookes

Gee you boys loveing writting novels. All of your post was rhetoric and self repeating. What I got from it was ….. ‘Why can’t we show an effect we have perfected’ and ‘Who else would do tutorials on the subject matter that we do’ ?

The websites I named as well as others haven’t perfected a technique; simple. They mildly have a grasp of what button to press, that is all. As far as who will make the tutorials… Well … These websites mainly have tutorials of how to make “AWESOME TEXT!” or something crap like that, so to answer you, anyone. Videocopilot/creativecow etc etc have many tutorials that include text. Leave it to the guys that know what they are talking about and spend your time actually learning how to design rather than teaching people that you don’t know what you are doing.

P.S No one ever speaks for everyone. Including yourself.

4 11 2009
Kai Indvik

Ok, so let’s pretend that we are deluded, arrogant people.

How has this blog post made things any better?

Obviously none of us are going to say, “Gosh, he’s right. My web site sucks and I’m a failure at life. Better sell my computer.”

So what has this post done, other than make you feel better about yourself by insulting kids and spreading hate across the internet?

4 11 2009
ghostdigital

@ Topher Welsh

I agree totally. However, 99% of the tutorials that I am speaking about teach nothing. They teach how to make some cool text or something like that. It doesn’t push forward the industry, it detracts from it. These people are tutorial junkies. They have a need to be important and liked. They need to make tutorials to further both of these twisted ideals.

On your point of eductaion… Don’t you think these guys/gals would be better off spending time making cool stuff for themselves and furthering their own learning rather than spouting out tutorials showing how little they know? I have stated before, that I have been working in the industry for many years (current as a 3D modeller and animator) and I hire people regularly. These people will provide me with a link or dvd reel of their tutorial work in years to come and they will be thrown in the trash just like everyone who sends me such crap. They need to learn, not teach. This way in years to come they will have a reel of merit that I (and other employers) will watch and give them employment on. Alot of these guys tell me they do it for freelance work. LAUGH!. I have freelanced in the past (and I know you currently are Topher), so you must agree that a site full of “Cool Text OMG” tutorials is not going to stack up to ANY client.

I respect your POV, Topher, but I also respect your own goals. Your website needs up and coming tutorial makers hence your outspoken support of such efforts. This is fine. I’ve always found yourself to be a helpfull active member on many sites that I participate on, however, these teachers have to LEARN from industry professionals (regardless of their age) so that they can sculpt a career path forward.

4 11 2009
ghostdigital

@ David W

I never said that you considered yourself to be professional. My post points out that there is a rise in amatuer tutorials and I offer a POV on them. Have a look at your thread and the threads of the others that I mentioned….. Only you guys post in each others threads; NO ONE ELSE. If your teaching was remarkable and you were showing anything of value then you would see any number of people responding to your work. However, as it stands you don’t. My post is aimed at anyone who is looking to become a designer via learning from amatuers. This way they can direct their education to sites where the tutorials show an element of knowledge and to steer away from amatuers as it will only harm their possible career.

4 11 2009
ghostdigital

@ Rafael Guerra

Oh I agree 100% Rafael. I’ve actually found your response to be mostly valid and of some educational merit and thus I respect your opinion/s. As I have said a million times, I think these ‘others’ should spend their time learning and not teaching, as learning is what they need so much and teaching is what they are failing to do. Sure they may show a button to press that we may not have known, but really, months and months of bad tutorials to find that one “golden nugget” when they could have spent it learning colour theory or composition?

4 11 2009
ghostdigital

@ Kai Indvik

This post has done many things.

Sure you guys many not have said “Gosh, he’s right. My web site sucks and I’m a failure at life. Better sell my computer”, however, I am sure it may have hit home to some of you or to someone looking o take the same road as you have. Clearly youu guys want a career in this industry and I’m sure feedback from an industry professional informing you that you are going the wrong way about it won’t always fall on deaf ears. My point is, they may not have voiced that they somewhat agree but once alone and they take a good hard look at themselves they might realise something.

This post isn’t to make me feel any better. I work in the field and have done so for many years so I am very content with myself and where I am going. This post (as I said in my post) was for others. SO that they may see that these sites will not teach them to be good designers. In fact,it will teach them poor habits. All of these sites have a terrible grasp on colour theory and compostion design (the two MOST important things) and people starting out should evade these sites at all cost as they will learn good practise from sites ran by people who are demonstrated skilled designers.

I hope you got my point the second time around 🙂

4 11 2009
digidirectors

You can actually make a tutorial on your photography?

What the hell would you teach anyone? How to use low level filters in Photoshop?

Your color theory and composition is total crap so you can’t teach anyone that.

Sure you have a few hat tricks with your school projects, but I would walk all over you with Photoshop and photography.

And one more thing you pompous ass, you look down your beak at people who have fake business names yet you do the same thing.

You are nothing but an ignorant hypocrite. Pull your head out your ass!

4 11 2009
ghostdigital

@ digidirectors

You can actually make a tutorial on your photography?

Yes you can, http://photo.tutsplus.com/, plus many many others.

Your color theory and composition is total crap so you can’t teach anyone that.


My colour theory is great actually. My composition, I’m not sure how you would know as I haven’t posted any of my composition work on here, which only leads to the conclusion that you do not know what composition design is about. Sorry.

I would walk all over you with Photoshop and photography.


Sorry, But you wouldn’t.

fake business names yet you do the same thing.


I don’t have a business name. Please show me where I do.

Next time, think before you post. I will approve all comments so you are able to prove me right everytime you decide to type.

5 11 2009
David W.

Okay, I get your drift. We do tend to reinforce each other. But think about it, obviously beginners are going to commend beginners. And I for one don’t have that many responses since the forum is more about motion graphics not gimp. Also I am much more active on the gimp forums then VCP so when I do check my posts I respond to the ones I am familiar with and have new content. By tearing down and not building up and offering suggestions you are hurting yourself as well as others. BTW, thanks for the links since visitors from your link are are averaging 6 minutes on my site. Ha ha!

5 11 2009
Joel Crookes

I’ll keep this brief. I completely disagree with you as do many others posting on your website. There is room for everyone. I look forward to hearing about your next big professional commission.

5 11 2009
ghostdigital

@ Joel Crookes

I’m glad you will look forward to that. But as you notice I don’t advertise that information, but by all means, wait as long as you like 🙂

5 11 2009
ghostdigital

@ David W

By tearing down and not building up and offering suggestions you are hurting yourself as well as others


Nope not hurting myself. By pointing out this ridiculous trend it doesn’t not effect me personally nor professionally. Hopefully by pointing it out, it will avtually help me. It will help ease the amount of 12 yo wanna-be Michael Bays that hand in a crappy tutorial filled reel to me monthly expecting employment. I’m all for enthusiasm, but not this kind.

BTW, thanks for the links since visitors from your link

No problem. I intend to provide links for people too see so that they can learn what kind of work they should steer clear from. Obviously there is a great amount of interest in seeing how bad your work is so that people can educate themselves on how not to conduct themselves. You really shouldn’t be proud of the traffic that I am generating for you as it is at your expense.

5 11 2009
digidirectors

David, it is called networking and you guys have it down.

Daniel didnt learn about networking in his school. He doesn’t have to, he “has a job” at a studio.

By the way Daniel, Craigslist isn’t a studio.

5 11 2009
ghostdigital

@ digidirectors

If only you knew what you are talking about then I would respond further. Alas, you don’t.

5 11 2009
Kai Indvik

I recorded a little video response to this.

I would be interested in one from you.

5 11 2009
digidirectors

I am talking about composition for your photographs.

Thank you for proving once again you know nothing about photography.

Also, I would love to see you write a tutorial about photography (or anything else for that matters).

There are two kinds of people here: The people who give to communities and people who take away from communities.

Guess which one you are?

5 11 2009
Robbie1985

I originally read this blog as I was halfway through writing out a text tutorial on VCP. Even thought the subject matter was something I have studied since 2005 and in my opinion have perfected I was totally unnerved by reading this blog.

I 100% understand your point, and I couldn’t agree more that some people post bad tutorials on things they aren’t very good at. However, what on earth does posting this achieve? As someone has already said these people are not going to stop posting them. All you’ve done is paint a target on your back and put people like me off sharing my knowledge in the fear I’ll be judged by you then named and shamed on your blog.

From reading this I gather you are a professional, please start acting like one and leave the playground politics to the kids

5 11 2009
MM

Obviously you didn’t read everything I said, as you didn’t respond to it. And I used profanity because regular words can’t really describe you. Why don’t we all have this conversation someplace else, were you don’t control and moderate comments. We all know you like playing god, but you aren’t.

– Why do you expect us to show resumes and a demo reel?
– If you really care enough to post a blog entry on your personal website. You are pretty much harassing us. That’s illegal. And yes, it’s also illegal in Australia. Mate.

Read it and weep. Because I know you won’t respond.

“I don’t have a business name. Please show me where I do.” – Usually if you have a video page loaded with “ghostdigital” logos, that’s your name.

“If I get asked repetadly how to do my photography, then and only then, will I make a tutorial.” – Your site has no traffic.

Do yourself a favor, and respond to the things I said. If you don’t and you avoid a question, your going to just look even worse.

5 11 2009
MM

Oh and here’s a quote I just saw! This ones real good!

“I’m glad you will look forward to that. But as you notice I don’t advertise that information, but by all means, wait as long as you like :)” LOL, you have no resume here, no demo reel, and no CLIENTS NOW AS WELL! Boy oh boy, I’m sure people will be just tripping over themselves to get to you!

I think your just bitter about something. Why don’t you tell us what it is so you can feel better.

5 11 2009
Kai Indvik

dunno why my comment wasn’t approved, but let me try again.

I recorded a video response, which can be watched at **link is posted above for easier site viewing**

5 11 2009
ghostdigital

@ MM
You make less sense by the day. I have stated too many times that I am not looking for work nor am I a freelance artist. I do photography as a personal hobby as well as freelance, however, I do it for people who I know as photography for me cannot be work.

This will give rise to why I don’t have my resume or reel on this site. I simply don’t need to subject it to the internet when I have been fulltime employed in a studio for many many years. I don’t have a blog so I can get work. I have a blog because I was asked to start one and to air my thoughts on design given my extensive training and professional experience ranging from tv, film and advertising. I even said in a VCP forum the studio I currently work in; go look it up.

The websites have a list of their clients which I will not claim as my own as I am not a freelancer. This I cannot expect you to understand with your inexperience, age, maturity level and lack of intelligence.

5 11 2009
ghostdigital

@ Robbie1985

Re-read my post and you will see I made a distinction. This alone should make it clear to you that I have no problem with tutorials as long as the person teaching actually knows what they are talking about. You said you have perfected a technique, if that is so, then you shouldn’t be worried about being judged; as it is perfect.

owever, what on earth does posting this achieve?

I answered this in my post. Please re-read.

5 11 2009
ghostdigital

@ digidirectors

I have written a tutorial, glad to see your brain is working this fine morning.

Frankly, I don’t care which person I am. If I had to take a guess, I’d have to go with ‘I’m the employed person here’.

5 11 2009
ghostdigital

@ Kai Indvik

Ha! That’s gold. Why is it important that I record a verbal response? My microphone has seen better days so not sure how that will work out. I am more than happy to back up my opionion and joust with you via text if that will sufice. Willl it?

5 11 2009
ghostdigital

@ MM

Read it and weep. Because I know you won’t respond……Do yourself a favor, and respond to the things I said. If you don’t and you avoid a question, your going to just look even worse.

Here I am responding. I have had to edit your post a bit as you repeated yourself inanely to the point it would take up half the internet. So, I deleted why you have repeated yourself to help you with your English paragraph structure. In essence, so you make sense. As far as “I know you won’t respond“, it seems I have proved you wrong yet again. Could you possibly be more wrong?

Why do you expect us to show resumes and a demo reel?


Two reasons. Firstly, yourself and others have openly said that you are looking to generate employment from your sites, hence, a resume or demo reel would be very important to any unlucky client that stumbles across site. A demo reeel shows what talent you have and your areas of aptitude so a client can make a clear choice. I just realised why you don’t have a reel. Secondly, if you are not looking for work you certainly see yourself as a VFX teacher. People who surf your site in order to be trained would like to see your aptitude so they too can make a choice as to whether your capabilities are up to a level whereby you can teach. Another reason why you don’t have a reel.

– If you really care enough to post a blog entry on your personal website. You are pretty much harassing us. That’s illegal. And yes, it’s also illegal in Australia. Mate.


It isn’t harrassing. This is my blog, not yours. Think about that one genious. As far as you blabbering made up legal doctrine to me, I suggest you go back to filming people in wheel chairs as teaching the law certainly isn’t up your alley. So no, writting what I want on MY blog isn’t illegal in Australia. Go look it up.

“I don’t have a business name. Please show me where I do.” – Usually if you have a video page loaded with “ghostdigital” logos, that’s your name.


Yes I have a website logo. No it is not a company/team/studio like I have said many times before. There are many sites that have a name that aren’t companies. Go look it up.

“If I get asked repetadly how to do my photography, then and only then, will I make a tutorial.” – Your site has no traffic.


You have said this a few times before. Apart from the fact that you have little grasp on your self repeating I am interested as to how you know the site stats for this site? You don’t. Hence why your arguement is moot.

There you go, I responded to your nonsense. I don’t delete any comments on this site, however, for the ease of viewing I must edit posts that are over 150 lines of text (like yours was) especially when the poster has such a poor grasp of language and structure.

5 11 2009
ghostdigital

@ Kai Indvik

Calm down Thomas. All comments here are approved, as was yours. Read above. Maybe you got lost in the field of babble from your minions to the point you couldn’t see your post was in fact approved.

6 11 2009
Kai Indvik

“My microphone has seen better days so not sure how that will work out”

That’s a pretty lame excuse…

As you have so repeatedly said, you are the only one with a job here. That’s not true, but I’m sure you’re making enough money to afford an eight dollar microphone.

6 11 2009
Kai Indvik

but, you know what, I’m done here. Nothing you say here is going to change what I’m doing. I have received messages from several industry professionals saying that they are supporting me.

I just think it’s sad that you are putting so much effort into detracting from this community, one that is filled with awesome people.

Kai

6 11 2009
MM

Oh and, by the definition of harassment:

1. To irritate or torment persistently.
2. To wear out; exhaust.
3. To impede and exhaust (an enemy) by repeated attacks or raids.

You are harassing us.

6 11 2009
ghostdigital

@ Kai Indvik

I think that the fact that my microphone doesn’t work is a pretty valif reason, not an excuse. Yes I am the only one employed here in the industry. You honestly think I should take some of my time to go to a shop, spend my money so I can have a microphone to use it only once speaking to you. You are defniately not that important. Clearly you can see that too.

6 11 2009
ghostdigital

@ Kai Indvik

I have received messages from several industry professionals saying that they are supporting me.

No you haven’t. This backs up my claim that you ‘others’ are in fact deluded.

6 11 2009
ghostdigital

@ MM

You sir, are an indiot. That is a dictionary definition. Get a clue. If you feel so strongly that this is true, then I suggest you call your local FBI branch and ask them to contact ASIO and have me arrested in Australia and then have me extradited to America so I can face charges of harrassment. Then once in court they can send me to jail for replying to remarks on my own site that you chose to attend on your own free will.

See how stupid you actually are? You back up my original post beautifull. Thank you. You truly are dense.

6 11 2009
MM

“You back up my original post beautifull.”

I’m the one with poor grammar?

7 11 2009
ghostdigital

@ MM
Yes. I make typos where as you murder the language. And that isn’t all you’re poor at.

7 11 2009
Kai Indvik

“No you haven’t”

How would you know that?

Answer:You don’t. Unless, of course, you are snooping through my e-mails.

Once again, you are not important enough for me to waste my time arguing with.

7 11 2009
ghostdigital

@ Kai Indvik

Because you have shown a tendancy to dance around the truth. In fact, you all have. Everytime that I have called any of you out on it I have been found to be correct. Also, no industry professional would message you considering your low grade work.

7 11 2009
Kai

Actually, the industry professional congratulated me on standing up to an asshole. That’s exactly what he said. Now I would carry on this debate further, but I am currently working on a project for a client, so I’m out of free time.

7 11 2009
ghostdigital

@ Kai

No professional messaged you and you are not working on a project for a client. Just like how you pretned that you are too important to comment on this site, yet you don’t stop.

7 11 2009
Kai

I am not “pretnending” I am too important:

I have tried to make several arguments against this post, and you have ignored them and insulted me and my friends. You don’t seem to know how to communicate without offending anybody.

Another funny thing is that any argument you can’t think up a response to, you just deny.

Real professional.

Sincerely,
Kai

7 11 2009
ghostdigital

@ Kai
I’ve replied to all of your posts. Even if you make up things. Yes, you do pretend to be important. As I said, no clients and no message.

7 11 2009
Kai

Sure you’ve replied, but you haven’t presented any other arguments.
Only denial, using your “professional” authority as reason.

Furthermore, you have been insulting and rude, which there isn’t any excuse from. You could have presented this post in a professional and constructive way, but, alas, you aren’t mature enough.

I fully agree with the gentleman who messaged me.

You are a rude asshole.

And honestly, I don’t give a shit whether the people I collaborate with are professional or not. They are polite and respectful, more than anyone can say about you.

7 11 2009
Kai

Also, I hope this post exposes to your self-proclaimed massive amount of viewers what kind of person you really are.

This was nothing but a personal attack, as revenge for what happened on VC.

7 11 2009
ghostdigital

@ Kai

Gee you are dense. This is my blog. I can say whatever I wish on here whether you like it or not. I don’t have to take time to give constructive critique if I don’t want to. Your teachers get paid to do that, not me. If I want to critique poor wanna-be designers who pose as fake companies then I am allowed to do so. If you all didn’t pose like you do, then this wouldn’t happen. As it is your right to be fake, it is my right to point it out to everyone. Again… no one messaged you so quit with that theory it is redundant. Also, you don’t colaborate with anyone or have any clients as you so claim.

7 11 2009
ghostdigital

@ Kai

Again, showing that low level intelligence you are becmoning known for.

10 11 2009
Caodemonkey123

You sir are a jackass.

10 11 2009
ghostdigital

@ Caodemonkey123
Agreed.

10 11 2009
Dan Rozen

“I agree totally. However, 99% of the tutorials that I am speaking about teach nothing. They teach how to make some cool text or something like that. It doesn’t push forward the industry, it detracts from it. These people are tutorial junkies. They have a need to be important and liked. They need to make tutorials to further both of these twisted ideals.”

Most of the younger audience got school, the odd game and YouTube. That’s a typical evening. Some, like you described, got the need to be big and important. Some, just think they got something of value, which to some extent they do, be it a text or other.

‘However, 99% of the tutorials that I am speaking about teach nothing. They teach how to make some cool text or something like that.’ Then INFACT, they are actually being productive and giving something back to those who care to watch their work.

It might not be revolutionary – but it’s a START.

The Tutorial-business comes down to presentation, praticing is the key to making better tutorials. It’s not all about VFX techniques either. Alot of Motion Graphic artists have no idea of how to composite their own shot, they just now the fancy bit in Post.

Give credit where credit is due and respect those still in the starting block, even if it is alot of similiar content.

Tolerence is a great trait.

10 11 2009
Dan Rozen

Furthermore, this method to gain an audience for your work falls under the category of “Let me harass you to get famous”.

All publicity is good but as an employer after reading this, I would not be encouraged to hire you solely based on your attitude and mentality. The term proffessional does not apply here.

10 11 2009
ghostdigital

@ Dan Rozen
Agreed. I do show tolerance to these guys. I have noted that they are pre-pubescent 13yo children and their ‘work’ is great for teaching the 12yo and under user group. However, my point is the ensuing ego that generally goes along with these kids. The admission of “my company” “my team” etc etc gives a false perspective of what they actually are. If they simply made terrible tutorials yet blatanly said “hey I’m a kid, if this helps great, if not that’s great too. I don’t actually know all that much I’m just training myself by playing around” then that would be 100% fine. However, the people I am discussing are clearly different and claim outragious things, especially when you look at the “OMG TEXT tutorial!”, and it is simply text with fractal noise as a faded BG yet they still claim “I am a company” “we made this tutorial” “I am a teacher” etc etc. They aren’t teachers, they are children.

When the people I singled out produce quality work I am more than happy to give the credit. I shall wait untill then.

10 11 2009
ghostdigital

@ Dan Rozen
Dan you seem to have confused yourself. I did not once say I was doing it as a “publicity stunt” nor to attract employment. I stated, many times, I am long term employed in the industry and do not recquire the acclaim of employers from America (or the like). If/when I decide to move on from my current employment I will simply re-start my personal blog that contains my personal demo reel. Untill then, I do not need work, do not need to show my demo reel, or hold my tongue.

I struggle to think that you say you are an employer. I employ people on a regular basis and I am more than happy to overlook someones “flaws” if their work will make my company. It’s all business. As a busniess owner you should know that by now.

10 11 2009
Lee

I am not against anyone making tutorials and I have even found that making your own tutorials, whether useful to others or not, can be useful for yourself. I have taught on a one to one basis before and it really makes you think about different techniques. I even remember revising for exams and how it would help me retain knowledge if I questioned others on their knowledge. Not because they would feed me the answers but because I would evaluate what they say and how that differed from my own knowledge.

Its the same with creating tutorials. Those beginners who do it may find themselves learning because they are relaying information – which I find to be helpful in self-improvement.

10 11 2009
Dan Rozen

That post proved that you could indeed be a bit more constructive. If you had presented your claims in such a manner through out this ‘dialogue’ of sorts, this could’ve been a mature discussion. When people feel offended and confronted, sometimes justified, things tend to get out of hand. However, name and shame is never justified.

The bigger issue for me is not the content they present, it’s the fact that so many get a hold of a several thousand dollar application at that age. Piracy really harms consumers.

11 11 2009
ghostdigital

@ Dan Rozen

I too hate piracy. ‘They’ all have copies of PS/Illustrator/AE/Max/c4d shit even boujou. This is rife amongst the young tutorials makers (and not only them) using software (and attempting to sell products) made on pirated software.

Sure I could have been more constructive, however, I am not running a government here. So considering that, I don’t need to tip-toe and obey the lobby groups in order to be voted in. This is a blog where I post things I think of, whether people like it or not. That is the reality.

11 11 2009
ghostdigital

@ Lee

I agree Lee, as I have said many times now. However, ‘teaching’ a text plus fractal noise ‘tutorial’ barely reinforces knowledge and such a claim cannot really be drawn in regards to the
content I mentioned. You must also realise that these people are self-titled industry professionals who get ‘paid’ for their work. This then idles in a seperate retort to what you are putting up.

11 11 2009
Dan Rozen

I am sorry if the term employer was misused. I am in no-way a company rights holder. I am a Producer and Coordinator – hence I used the phrase employer. Also, this might be due to language as this is not my native tongue. I am Swedish.

We work with projects, that can vary in terms of length. The biggest part of my job, is putting together people that may or may not have worked with each other before, and make sure it works.

The current project is about a year long and as I hire people to fill a certain position, I do know that business always comes first. However, the SFX/Photography/MotionGraphics bit is the one most easily filled, at least nowadays. So for us, it doesn’t hurt to take the extra few days to really find what we are looking for in terms of both quality and spirit.

We had over 600 applicants to above positions mentioned – It’s alot of CV’s.

11 11 2009
Lee

@ghostdigital

I agree, it is rather frustrating that you get 14 year olds claiming to be professional. I guess the best thing to do is know that you get work based on your talents. They are not really competition unless they actually get paid work. I think its a teenager thing – I remember getting an email off of a 15 year old kid saying he was going to take me to court because I had named a website something that he wanted to use.

11 11 2009
Dan Rozen

I can not edit my previous post in any way but, what I meant to communicate was that, in Sweden, the equivalent of a Producer/Coordinator sometimes is referred to as an Employer. I made it sound akward, that Swedish was some sort of excuse for claiming to be an Employer.

11 11 2009
ghostdigital

@ Dan Rozen
We have alot of applicants as well Dan, it’s normal in this industry. Sure you will never find it hard to fill a role but the question I pose to you is… If someone had amazing talent, talent that could secure your business heaps of new clients, however, you knew they might cause disharmony would you make the decision to not hire this person that could in effect bring you X amount of $ to protect the staff you have that don’t pull those clients? Or, would you hire them and through good staff management handle any issue that may arise as this person will make your company a success due to their talent?

11 11 2009
ghostdigital

@ Lee

Haha, I’ve had that also. I know it’s a teenage thing. I didn’t make this post because I saw them as competition (I clearly don’t), however, I thought maybe some of them may see that ‘we’ can see through their sharade and cut it out for their own good. “Their own good meaning”, spending time to learn the craft and to become sound in technique, rather than doing the “teenage” thing and acting like they are professionals/teachers/etc in order to impress the online people that they do not know. In addition to that, a few of these kids have private messaged me admitting they were ‘wrong’ but couldn’t make the ‘about face’ in this comments section, however, now they want to learn and not preach/teach etc. Good on them.

11 11 2009
ghostdigital

@ Dan Rozen

I understood what you meant Dan 🙂 I don’t own the company that I work for, however, I (and a few select others) have the ‘authority’ to hire/fire new staff, so in that way, I guess we employ people yet are not employers in the literal sense.

11 11 2009
Dan Rozen

“If someone had amazing talent, talent that could secure your business heaps of new clients, however, you knew they might cause disharmony would you make the decision to not hire this person that could in effect bring you X amount of $ to protect the staff you have that don’t pull those clients?”

Obviously, alot of issues can be adressed. Not all, but many. And yes, we weigh in every candidate to see what he or she brings to the table, our benefits and possible downsides.

The project I am involved in, is a feature film (Be it Swedish, but still a feature film!) leaves no room for “Let’s resolve this later” mentality.

In our case, it’s not as black and white as your example. Before we even go out to fill the positions for the feature, we have already secured contacts, funding and licensing etc. The hiring we do, is to make sure we get a working team, that can deliver what we need in time for the premiere.

But, if it came down to your example, I would obviously think of the benefits of bringing him or her onboard.

The worst part about creative media, is the insecurity in working with projects. It’s a bit like a day at the race track. We go with the safe bet, even if it means less profit. (What a bad metaphor, but you get my drift.)

11 11 2009
ghostdigital

@ Dan Rozen
Yeah I understand what you mean. I am speaking from the advertising medium, and in ‘our’ medium; talent is gold. If you are a jerk then that can be handled. You don’t get the contract unless the quality is amazing. SO somtimes you need to hire that jerk that does incredible work as it will ensure work for everyone.

12 11 2009
Levi Borland

I think it is pretty sad how I leave one little comment that is far less worse then anything anyone else is saying and it is just deleted. Ha. I love this.

12 11 2009
ghostdigital

@ Levi Borland
I’m pretty sure I approved your comment. Maybe you styped out a really witty one and forgot to press “submit”.

If you really relied on training on how to add text to a solid layer and adding fractal noise as default to a solid layer then these tuts would have helped you heaps. Alas, this industry requires mroe than that. You will learn that as you progress.

13 11 2009
TOny R.

Hey! am i late for the party? LOL.. i have to admit this post has been entertaining. Hey Unreal =) ! didn’t know u had a blog. I was wandering VCP and stumbled on it. Interesting discussion u guys are having here. As a impartial observer can a shed a little light on here?

I won’t lie i have noticed the rising trend in amateur tutorials, and yes i think a lot of people will find them annoying. Especially when in the VCP forum you see “New tutorial!”.. and ur disappointed when u find out its flying text again. >_>. So on that point i agree.

However I don’t think that they make tutorials for people. I think they are the ones that learn more in the end. My old proffesor once said that “If you want to learn something, teach it”. Now i may only intern in studios for now and im still a student, but when i teach a small Saturday VFX class i notice that im the one that learns the most. So I think its to their benefit mostly, besides they are just having fun. And its kind of a burn to call ppl out like that.

To all of the “Other sort”. You have to realize that the reason Unreal posted this is because ur basically taking what u learned from VCP and making tutorials from that. Which is redundant because if thats the case why don’t beginners just go to VCP only and learn what u learn? Its like if ur in a classroom and instead of having the teacher teach the class you have his PA teach it. You basically know what he knows. What u guys have to do is two things:

1. Make original tutorials, make something that nobody has done. Or skim through the requested tutorials and do those. Make something thats not easily available in VCP or creative cow. Or make it useful, think about it this way if u wouldn’t use it, or find it useful, nobody else would.

2. Since its pretty much just u guys why don’t you guys make just one website and have it be like a Amateur After Effects user group, and post ur tutorials there, im pretty sure that, that website would be received with open arms in the VFX community. You guys can then team up and produce quality tutorials. And i think what ppl what are quality tutorials.

Lastly, I think u should all figure out why exactly u disagree and start from there. I think u all lost ur points miles ago, now its just ramblings and name callings.

Any ways im not here to join the fight, just thought i would say hi =) and put my 2 cents in..

BTW i did not know envato network had photo tuts.. gonna go check em out, i just got throw all three of scott kelby’s photo books and i gotta say they are awesome, now i have another source for photo tuts..

13 11 2009
ghostdigital

@ TOny R.

Hey bud 🙂 I’ve had a blog of sorts for a little time. The guys at my old studio thought I should air some shit, so here I am 🙂 Never too late for a chin-wag. Nice to have someone with a clue weighing in.

I agree 100% with 99% of that (why does a line from Anchorman enter my mind at this time? Haha). On your point of “to learn you should teach”, I don’t exactly agree. If that were true, we would learn barely anything from our teachers/lecturers/professors/employers and only learn when we teach. Therefore we aren’t teaching, as teaching implies we are aiding the learning of someone via tutoridge. So, if teaching is actually learning, then teaching isn’t teaching; it’s learning. Then what is actually teaching?

In a way you can HONE your skills via teaching and by doing so you may find out a better way or a way to sharpen your techniques. So, I don’t think that teaching is learning but I do think that teaching is advancement of previously learned skills.

Having said this…. ‘Teaching’ how to type text and add a fractal noise to s solid layer is redundant as it doesn’t ‘teach’ it only copies covered material. So on this point I totally agree. The originality is shot. VCP has been dying a slow death on it’s forums as many professionals have evaded the forums to be active on better boards where this “let me teach you via tutorial phenom’ doesn’t exist. I for one, post more on evermotion that I do on VCP; and I know for a fact that I’m not the only one.

Nice to see you around Tony 🙂

14 11 2009
Andrew Lee

If teaching isn’t learning, then how does a teacher improve on what he/she already knows. Surely if you want to show someone how to do something and that person finds what your demonstrating useful, then who are you to say it is wrong. The only people who can say what you are doing is of no use to anyone, are those people who can demonstrate the fact buy showing you a better way. Those are the true professionals.

So while you say teaching isn’t learning, if you teach others, there is always a chance that you will learn from it, hence improving on yourself and therefore making your teaching better.

14 11 2009
ghostdigital

@ Andrew Lee

You are making “improving” and “learning” to mean the same thing. To improve something, you must have first learnt it to improve upon it.

I still maintain that text + fractal noise tutorials are very old hat, novice, and no matter how many people decide to ‘teach’ (preach) it, it won’t make them better untill they kill the self delusion and aim for deisgn; rather than repeat. Surely a self confessed professional expert such as yourself can see that. Or not…

14 11 2009
MM

Under the LAW the post about my photography should be removed.

I invite all of you to go to my photography page, and look at my favorite wildlife pictures. Just click on the wildlife page, and its right at the top. Go look at it and tell me that they suck.

14 11 2009
ghostdigital

@ MM
I gave you a link to the law. Read it. Then, shut up.

I’ve been to your photography page and I’m telling you that they suck. Now since that is done with I hope you can stop typing 5 x 200 line comments.

14 11 2009
MM

You think your so tough? Give me your phone number and lets talk it out you little bitch. I know you won’t, that’s how fucking pathetic you are. If we were having this conversation face to face, either you would of shut the fuck up, or you’d be lying on the ground bleeding from a dozen places.

14 11 2009
ghostdigital

@ MM
0403 575 378. The country code for Australia is +61. So you would dial +61402575378> I shall await your call. Make sure you do, you’d hate to post on a board that you will, then not do it.

In regards to the rest of your face to face comment, you’re 13 and I’m 27. Do the math.

14 11 2009
MM

“To place a call out of the U.S. dial: “011 – country code – city code – number””

So far i have 011-61-whats your city number

14 11 2009
MM

can you video chat, do you have a mac?

14 11 2009
ghostdigital

@ MM
you dont need a city code when calling a mobile number. If you do, the city code is 03. No need to make an easy thing sound difficult in order to back out of it little kid.

14 11 2009
ghostdigital

@ MM
Apparently you were calling. No need for video chat.

14 11 2009
MM

I just left you my number, what did you delete it or something?

15 11 2009
ghostdigital

@ MM
You never called. Epic fail. Now since you have proven to be full of it, stop talking.

16 11 2009
MM

“you dont need a city code when calling a mobile number. If you do, the city code is 03. No need to make an easy thing sound difficult in order to back out of it little kid.”

How the hell was I supposed to know it was a cellphone number. What, you think I can read minds or something?

16 11 2009
ghostdigital

@ MM
You are too stupid to read your own mind, so no, you have no chance of reading someone elses. However, you asked how were you meant to know it was a mbile number…. Umm.. In the quote of mine that you just posted you would have read the line “when calling a mobile number”, this would have been your first hint that it was a mobile number.

There is a saying here in Australia that ‘someone isa few eggs short or a dozen’. You, kid, are 12 short.

16 11 2009
MM

“There is a saying here in Australia that ’someone isa few eggs short or a dozen’. You, kid, are 12 short.”

A dozen is 12, what are you retarded or something?

16 11 2009
ghostdigital

@ MM
Yes, well done, 12 is a dozen. Given this as a fact, it would therefore mean I said you have 12 eggs short of having 12. Eggs being a metaphor for sense, 12 of which making a full brain. Having a few short would mean you brain isn’t properly formed. Having 12 short would mean you have an overall absence of any brain. Sorry that I had to explain this to you, but since you are 12 short, it isn’t suprising that I had to.

16 11 2009
Ruffneck

Honestly, not to get into a hefty argument. I enjoy sites like these, because of what they do. The fact of the matter is, I’m an amateur videographer who enjoys making amateur films with amateur effects. You can call me an Andrew Kramer wannabe, but honestly, that’s fine by me. In AK’s defense, he is a professional, he has work on professional movies, and he is talented in his own way. Yes, he may not be better than so-and-so and what’s his face, but really, who cares. Videography is my hobby and I have to start somewhere. After Effects, 3ds Max, etc. are very complex programs if you don’t know how to use them. Sites like you have stated merely take their own time to provide amateurs like myself with good-semi-good quality tutorials showing people like myself how to make so cool looking amateur effects. Everyone has to start somewhere and these sites make it possible for aspiring videographers to explore the area in a sense, and to find out if the individual has what it takes to excel in the area of film-making. It’s there for who wants to use it, and if you don’t need it, then you leave it be. I’ve taken many things shown in various tutorials by many different people and applied their techniques that they graciously shared with myself and the rest of the world into my own video projects. Is that not why they made their sites in the first place?
All-in-all, unless they claim to be “god’s” or “professionals” in the video making business, then this blog post you have made is just a waste of time.

Ruffneck
An appreciative aspiring videographer

16 11 2009
ghostdigital

@ Ruffneck
Is your site bra productions?

18 11 2009
Ruffneck

Yes my site is “Bra Productions” (which is a company name, not a site by the, dickhead), I highly suggestion waiting 10 or so years before you go onto it.

18 11 2009
ghostdigital

@ Ruffneck
Well since I’m the dickhead, as you claim, it would be pretty terrible for me to laugh at the “highly suggestion” part or the fact that braproductions is actually a site. It’s such a shame that I can’t stop laughing though. I’m happy you posted, because you’re the one selling textures from your site that aren’t yours. Plagiarize much? In fact, it’s just down right theft; not to mention that “bra productions” isn’t a registered company, so you lose on all fronts.

Again, thanaks for posting, it was a fucking blast.

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